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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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693 for the 16th of january 2022 richard

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saunders here with you

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from sydney australia

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it continues to be

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muggy

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some rains some thunderstorms

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and did i mention

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muggy

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coming up on this week's show

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we look at some of the

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more hmm how shall i put this far

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bizarre

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crazy ads

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sponsored ads appearing on facebook in

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particular

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ads for detox foot patches or foot pads

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yes stick these things on your feet have

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a sleep wake up

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and peel off the toxins

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that's the claim does that stack up

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spoiler no

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but we will look at some of these crazy

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ads appearing in facebook and why do

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they appear in facebook well i guess

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it's just

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business

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following that it's the australian

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skeptics newsletter for this week read

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by adrian hill from canada yes it makes

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perfect sense

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somebody from canada reading stories

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about australia well why not she does it

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so well

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then to round off the show we wander

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into the

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trove treasure the treasure trove at

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trove

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trove.nla.gov today you

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for your online resource for media

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and this time we'll be looking at crop

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circles remember them

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remember crop circles wow that's going

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imagine that

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it's it's a great indication that

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something doesn't work or it's not real

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when it becomes just part of a tidbit of

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history oh yeah i remember crop circles

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weren't they a thing once

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i think they're still going

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but they've certainly

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certainly lost a lot of their novelty

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15 years ago it was a

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on in general and documentaries being

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and indeed about 16 years ago i appeared

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ah put the case for skepticism

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against somebody from the netherlands

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i will play a clip from that tv show and

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yes as i look out the skeptic zone

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studio window cloudy again

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clouds are okay

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is that is that how it works clouds over

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now stay tuned at the end of the show

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all the segments for more comments

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from me about the ongoing situation here

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um but now it's time for me to run

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and serve myself get it tennis serve

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don't give up your day job saunders

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serve myself some eggs on toast

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while i do that i hope you enjoy this

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now

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about 2007 something like that and i use

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foot patches now these are the

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uh patches you stick on the bottom of

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wood pulp and other

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toxins and terrible things have come out

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this situation do detox foot pads

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answer from brent a bower md

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there is no reliable evidence that detox

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foot pads work manufacturers of detox

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foot pads

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say their products draw toxins out of

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your body while you sleep some

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manufacturers have claimed that detox

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foot pads also treat high blood pressure

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headaches cellulite depression diabetes

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insomnia and aiding weight loss detox

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feet and left there overnight

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purportedly to draw out toxins such as

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when you peel off the detox foot pad in

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the morning it's darkened or discolored

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toxins that have been removed from your

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body

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published that show that detox foot pads

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work or that they are safe

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the federal trade commission has even

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charged some distributors of detox foot

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pads with deceptive

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advertising the bottom line or the

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bottom of your feet line as with

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anything that sounds too good to be true

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and ever since then i've had no end of

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new age and mysterious

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ads appear let's have a look at some of

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well of the many foot patches foot pads

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band do

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b-a-n-do bandu sponsored it's a

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for all who ever struggled with busy

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lifestyle and chronic pain

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meet bandu natural foot patch formulated

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to remove toxins from the body overnight

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and improve overall well-being

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little image there is somebody gleefully

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it's possible too that i may be getting

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more of these in some bizarre way

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was uh misleading advertising let's have

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a quick look at the bandu website

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how an old traditional eastern remedy

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the skeptical she was susan brought some

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feel better within just a day

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after trying them for a few days i began

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having to stop and rest up then after

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two weeks i was back to my usual self i

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couldn't believe it neither could anyone

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else even my doctors were dumbfounded by

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my miracle cure

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although they would never admit that

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some weird plant extract were

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responsible for my recovery i bet they

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wouldn't so who knows if this is

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completely made up or not it doesn't

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and here's another one that appeared in

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my feed healthy you

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percent off store wide sale today

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that's up to eighty four dollars off do

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you know your feet store the most

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gravity pushes excess fluids and body

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toxins down to the feet

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where they build up throughout the day

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oh dear no wonder my feet get smelly

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these foot patches are the incredible

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detox system that naturally removes

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toxins and cleanses them from your body

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while you sleep

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who knew

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excrete heavy metals and toxins through

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the soles of their feet who knew

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goes on removing the daily buildup of

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toxins from your body can help you

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sleep peacefully and longer reduce body

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fat pain free cures stress and anxiety

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helps maintaining your mental well-being

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relieves body ache and reduce muscle

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fatigue

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brightens complexion to look younger

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buy now and pay later with after pay

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australian owned and shipped from

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australia well thank goodness for that

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so just relax trust the process and

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enjoy an improved quality of life

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results in six hours

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clearance sale ends today and the image

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accompanying this

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uh

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two people with their feet up with the

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foot patches stuck on their feet

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or is it the same person no it may be

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the same person it's hard to tell in any

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case

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it might be a split image but underneath

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we have thermal imaging of the feet

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before and after presumably it's hard to

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and before the feet are

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nice cool colors and after the feet are

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reddish what does it mean

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it doesn't have to mean anything and the

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comments which who knows are probably

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fake or heavily

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moderated or who knows what

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are usually uh they're quite um

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enthusiastic tess hill says these are

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awesome more energy and better sleep

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yeah that sounds like a realistic

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comment

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reply thanks tess

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for your positive feedback we are

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looking forward to continuing doing

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business with you yeah that sounds legit

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but of course it's not just foot patches

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that have come up on my feed ever since

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i interacted with one of these

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sort of advertisements

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here's a sample of some of the other

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things that now regularly appear

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regularly appear

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spirit and earth magic events join us

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for two days filled with magical stalls

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and let's spell the k m a

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g

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spiritual

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psychic readings stage presentations

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wicker alternative wellness and

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well-being

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healing practitioners

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spirit earth magic psychic fair february

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the 5th to the 6th panthers street

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richmond

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think as much as i would love to go

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because i do like going to these things

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i don't think i'll be going to any

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public gathering in the near future i

340
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don't think that's such a great idea and

341
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a couple of years ago in 2020 we decided

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not to go to the mind body wallet

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festival

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because we feared a lot of people who

345
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would go there would not be into

346
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vaccinations we were probably right

347
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here's one another advertisement from

348
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inner lair

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have you

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astral projected i'm sure you've heard

351
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at least one story about someone leaving

352
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their body and being able to explore the

353
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universe you might be even that very

354
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person well sadly i'm not but it would

355
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be fun to zoom out and have a look at

356
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the james webb telescope in action

357
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anyway what else does it say a key part

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of these experience for most people is

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that

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it probably happened by complete

361
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accident hmm

362
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compare that to the ancient egyptians

363
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greeks and tibetans who not only

364
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practiced this art they thrived with it

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really the ability to project your

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consciousness out of your body has been

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around since the dawn of time

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it was basically second nature for most

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unfortunately the knowledge our

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ancestors painstakingly collected was

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targeted and kept hidden by a few

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because of that up to now the only

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available information was either

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incomplete outdated or worse completely

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wrong

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imagine

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planet solar system or even the universe

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and if you quote run out end quote of

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the universe to explore

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just hop into another one

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i think it would take more than that a

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few weeks

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probably to explore the entirety of our

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universe maybe a bit longer you know

385
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maybe a bit longer

386
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visit other dimensions relive past lives

387
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read your kashic records explore the

388
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astral plane and get guidance from your

389
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spirit guide you need it i think

390
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there is so much

391
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and more waiting for you to discover

392
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what are you waiting for

393
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my method for astral projection is safe

394
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effective

395
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and the best part is that you can access

396
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it immediately

397
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that's a mighty big claim

398
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simply click the learn more button and

399
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begin traveling the astral planes today

400
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i would rather travel the aero planes

401
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today quite frankly

402
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and the accompanying images of the

403
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outline of a person

404
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sort of trapped in a giant plasma bolt

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of rainbow colors

406
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so mighty big claims their facebook

407
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mighty big claims

408
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here's another one an advertisement from

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conscious items

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buy one get one free on everything you

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will receive one free item of your

412
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choice for every single item you buy

413
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there are no limits that's very generous

414
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we're moving our warehouse to

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chattanooga tennessee

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this will result in faster delivery

417
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times wider variety of items more

418
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premium services well that's good but

419
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:05,520
first we need to empty the old warehouse

420
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maybe they can use the astral movers

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for this

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one-time clearance sale everything must

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go

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and we can't guarantee it will all come

425
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back well

426
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if you've been keeping an eye out for

427
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something special this could be your

428
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last chance to get it and definitely

429
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your last chance to get it with

430
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,280
this special deal

431
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:26,959
don't know where to start check out the

432
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awesome healing lamp

433
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:32,240
made from the majestic clear quartz this

434
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beauty lights your room with

435
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healing

436
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:40,630
we're planting one tree for every time

437
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:42,160
you buy

438
00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:45,200
including the free ones that's nice so

439
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:46,960
what are you waiting for add the healing

440
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,760
lamp to the cart right now yes i bet i

441
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:52,320
can't wait to get rid of those from the

442
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warehouse again facebook that's a mighty

443
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:56,880
big claim isn't it

444
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a healing lamp with healing energy

445
00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:02,720
here's the next one

446
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dylan

447
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d-y-l-n i don't know how to pronounce

448
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that correctly

449
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:10,799
why is this the world's healthiest water

450
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bottle question mark the darling water

451
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bottle turns any water you fill with

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into alkaline water in minutes

453
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:22,720
why drink alkaline water it says

454
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super hydrating

455
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,480
detoxifying

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energizing

457
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shop now

458
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:32,720
and i notice

459
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:35,760
there's been a reply or an icon there

460
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,120
from a skeptic of a laughing face oh

461
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,520
another one from another detox foot

462
00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:44,320
patch the new

463
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detox

464
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after day number five i don't know if

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it's the pads or not but i feel an

466
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increase in my mood

467
00:19:02,950 --> 00:18:59,919
i felt motivated discount 70

468
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,960
last chance to grab this big promo

469
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,360
the detox foot patches that balance both

470
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:07,440
body and soul that's convenient these

471
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,400
high quality foot patches work by gently

472
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warming the soles of the feet during the

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night

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to draw the toxins out and complement

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the body's healing processes

476
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ah that's why the

477
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thermal images was warm in the second

478
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image i get it a full five day detox

479
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:27,679
course once a month or every few months

480
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can improve energy level

481
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immune system

482
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sleep quality and overall mood and

483
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well-being

484
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in brackets individual results may vary

485
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i bet

486
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,080
so again facebook you tell me it says

487
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:44,400
here that this product can

488
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:47,760
improve the immune system

489
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:51,120
where we know full well it can't

490
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,400
detox foot pads benefits five reasons

491
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:57,120
why you need to try them one better

492
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,640
sleep two weight loss three painless

493
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nature and safe

494
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four help reduce toxins

495
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five

496
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less sugar cravings well that's a new

497
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one 30 day money back guarantee which

498
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:17,919
hardly anybody takes advantage of

499
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,919
here's another one now what's this

500
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:21,840
company called

501
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,679
ups skillest upskillest

502
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,000
i'm pronouncing that wrong no doubt so

503
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:30,159
apologies to that company i do not like

504
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,880
to

505
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:32,559
pronounce things incorrectly but it's

506
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,470
oop oops skillet

507
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,669
it says

508
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:44,240
get four weeks free unlimited access to

509
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:47,679
our crystal healing course

510
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,919
you are the power behind this ancient

511
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energy skill

512
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,120
that is sure to enhance your psychic

513
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:55,440
ability and enable you to start your

514
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:03,430
globally recognized certification

515
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:04,960
no commitment

516
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,480
what are you waiting for start now

517
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,720
try one and get one free limited offer

518
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,880
99 free

519
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:15,360
join for a four week trial crystal

520
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,029
well there you go just some of the

521
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,200
interesting advertisements coming my way

522
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,360
i'm sort of glad you know i did click

523
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,520
it's good to keep my finger on the pulse

524
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,880
so to say

525
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,080
see what facebook are happy advertising

526
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:36,880
outrageous claims and magical thinking

527
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:38,730
and all sorts of room

528
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,520
[Music]

529
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:43,120
maybe you've seen some of these yourself

530
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,400
in your own facebook feed

531
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,360
it's uh it's a wild world out there

532
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,120
and one would hope

533
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,360
that facebook would be a bit more choosy

534
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,600
oh no it's a business

535
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,360
it's a business it's like the magazines

536
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,840
that have psychics or the tv shows

537
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,840
they know what their audience wants to

538
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,640
see

539
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,120
and with target advertising

540
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,960
i wouldn't be surprised if most people

541
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,880
listening to the skeptic zone being

542
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,039
skeptics wouldn't see these things crop

543
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:12,559
up in their facebook feed because you'd

544
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,440
be

545
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,080
not very interested in them

546
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,200
so with that i think i better work on my

547
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,080
foot patches go for an astral trip

548
00:22:28,810 --> 00:22:23,760
and practice my

549
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[Music]

550
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:47,120
this is kyle from the data skeptic

551
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,080
podcast if you're curious about the way

552
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,240
data is changing our world topics like

553
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,799
ai and all this craziness with facebook

554
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,280
and bots and the twitter storm and how

555
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,600
the algorithms that underline that work

556
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,200
and you don't want a technical deep dive

557
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,880
you want it you know in the vernacular

558
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,320
in a way that people can understand

559
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,760
check us out at data skeptic that's what

560
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,080
we try and do i interview advanced

561
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,679
professionals in the field who do this

562
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:11,440
sort of research and then i get into

563
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,190
interesting projects as well

564
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,840
[Music]

565
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:17,600
we're a weekly show and you can find us

566
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:19,010
at datasceptic.com

567
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,080
[Music]

568
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,720
hello everyone it's adrian hill again

569
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,039
from canada here to read the highlights

570
00:23:52,790 --> 00:23:51,120
from the australian skeptics newsletter

571
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,800
for 2022

572
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,400
[Music]

573
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,440
this is newsletter number 139

574
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,320
and you can subscribe to this newsletter

575
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and get it delivered to your inbox every

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other week complete with links to all

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the stories

578
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[Music]

579
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:15,600
but now let's get to the newsletter and

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see what tim mendom has for us

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hi all it says

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we're back and so of course is kovit or

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it never left despite psychic and

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political predictions that quote were

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over the worst end quote and quote it

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will just go away end quote

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so we've avoided overdosing on the virus

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and vaccines in this first newsletter

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for 2022 by kicking off with more

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important subjects like psychics science

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pseudoscience skepticism and of course

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haunted pubs

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read on

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tim

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and don't forget that each item comes

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with the link that you can click on when

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you subscribe to the newsletter

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[Music]

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australian skeptics news

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the reasons for science skepticism

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an article looks at issues with trust in

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science and scientific consensus which

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can be complex and founded on real

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concerns

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but a cartoon puts it simply

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canadian survey on belief in astrology

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and the supernatural oh dear my home

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country

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apparently more than half of young

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canadians believe in astrology even

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while belief among the general

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population has actually dropped

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as an aside i'm guessing they are not

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using enough canadian maple syrup while

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digesting their waffle

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for some reason belief is stronger in

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the western regions

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mediumship clairvoyance and haunted

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houses don't rate as highly with belief

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either stagnating or dropping

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the truth behind pseudoscience

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interesting article in which a bunch of

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university of california science writers

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examine the evidence for ghost hunting

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chemtrails cryptozoology and more a

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useful set of short assessments

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dr oz shouldn't be a senator

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yep agree with that one

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scientific american article that

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suggests that the celebrity doctor's

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brand of misinformation has already

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tarnished medicine quote in the halls of

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congress he'd do much worse end quote

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when biblically inspired pseudoscience

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causes looting

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a team of anthropologists have argued

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that flawed research linking biblical

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sodom to an archaeological site led to

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media hype that harms science and

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encourages illegal excavations

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scientific reports a peer-reviewed

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journal operating under one of the

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world's leading scientific journals

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nature published pseudoscientific

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research about a supposed ancient cosmic

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airburst destroying the tal el hamam

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site in what is today jordan

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scholars dissected the paper discovering

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quote shoddy science poor analysis of

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biological remains edited images overt

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religious agenda and misinterpretations

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of stratigraphic contexts end quote

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but that didn't stop the media covering

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it including such noted outlets as the

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smithsonian and the conversation

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a history of medical conspiracies

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medical pseudoscience and conspiracy

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theories about causes and secret cures

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are not new as this interesting article

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points out these things stretch back to

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roman times and follow a pattern of

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prejudice that repeats itself throughout

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history during times of fear disease and

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uncertainty

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courses on critical thinking and

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evolution

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think inc who managed the skepticon

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convention back in 2017 is offering a

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four-part online course on quote logical

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fallacies and biases the art of critical

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thinking end quote february and april

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time slots are available the course will

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cost 299 australian dollars

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another course looks at quote sex genes

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and rock and roll how evolution shaped

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the modern world end quote again in four

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sessions during february same price as

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the critical thinking course the

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december 2021 issue of the skeptic is

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out and it features complete coverage of

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the great australian psychic prediction

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project possibly the largest of its kind

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ever undertaken and destined to be a

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reference for future discussion on the

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topic of psychics

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the issue also features articles that

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analyze common myths about covid by

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anti-vaxxers the nuremberg codes

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supposed implications on vaccines as

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experimentation and vaccine compensation

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schemes proof that vaccines are more

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dangerous than authorities claim

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both articles make great reference works

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to put in front of hesitant or

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anti-vaxxed people who cite such claims

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also included are disappearing countries

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fsm anniversary and a book about

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rude ones should also go to editor

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items of interest

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travel tip

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england's ancient ram inn may be haunted

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here's why

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the answer might be

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tourism but while some

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pro-paranormalists love the place others

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aren't exactly happy with quote the most

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haunted house in britain end quote which

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dates back to 11 45.

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they say the gloucestershire inn is

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pretty run down and no longer a working

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pub but there is a good fish and chip

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shop nearby

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[Music]

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anti-5g necklaces found to be

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radioactive

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these devices crop up from time to time

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all emitting harmful ionizing radiation

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designed to ward off whatever is the

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evil threat of the day 5g seems to be as

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good a villain as any at the moment

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the current lot include an energy armor

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sleeping mask bracelet and necklace a

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bracelet for children branded magnetic

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wellness was also found to be emitting

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radiation which i actually find quite

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horrifying

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yuri geller to find ark of the covenant

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the old spoon bender yuri geller is back

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yet again

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convinced he will cause an

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historical earthquake never before seen

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in history end quote when he finds the

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sacred ark of the covenant featured in

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an indiana jones movie though presumably

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not the actual one because as we know

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that's locked up in a warehouse in area

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51 along with rosebud geller hopes to

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start digging for it later in the year

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miracle cure a thought experiment

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a weird article that asks what would the

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catholic church hierarchy do if

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confronted with a miracle cure for covid

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the author suggests agnostics would be

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more supportive because quote church

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leaders

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have invested heavily in the vaccination

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campaign which would collapse as belief

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in the miracle spread end quote

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the way the scenario plays out is

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fascinating in a stretching the logic

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silliest story of the week

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demi lovato sings to ghosts to help them

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overcome trauma caused by

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sexism

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need we say more

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and that's all for now we encourage you

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to subscribe to the skeptic magazine

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next time this is adrian hill signing

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off

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[Music]

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[Laughter]

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[Music]

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demi lovato sings to ghosts to help them

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[Music]

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hi this is susan gerbic from gsow that's

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to thank everyone who via the skeptic

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zone podcast has contacted me to become

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day in fact we're over 52 million page

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[Music]

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here we go once again diving into the

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archives that trove at trove.nla.gov.eu

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your online resource for australian

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digitized newspapers and so on but we're

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also going further afield with digitized

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newspapers from

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the united states as well

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as this week in i'll look through the

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historical archives of the media

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we're going to be examining that

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wonderful topic you don't hear too much

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about anymore

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crop circles

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16 17 years ago

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they were very popular there were videos

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and movies and documentaries made about

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them i even appeared on tv once here in

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australia to

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air quotes debate

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in fact i think

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i'll play you a little bit about what i

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said and this was about i'm guessing 15

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16 years ago

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[Music]

839
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now it's time for sunrise in focus and

840
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do you know what crop circles are well

841
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they're those weird geometric patterns

842
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that you often see mysteriously appear

843
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on agricultural fields but are they the

844
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result of supernatural forces or some

845
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busy landscape gardeners janet ossibard

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is a crop circle researcher from europe

847
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and richard saunders is from the

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australian skeptics good morning to you

849
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both

850
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janet to you first up what do you

851
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believe causes crop circles

852
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i believe they're made by non-human

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intelligence

854
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um well we have um a lot of scientific

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evidence that the majority of crop

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circles are not made by humans

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uh coming from the field of biophysics

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uh chemistry

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biology

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so there's a lot of evidence for that

861
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um that leaves us with the question okay

862
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,599
if it's not humans then who make them

863
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,520
uh there's definitely an intelligence

864
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,599
behind it so the only same conclusion

865
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,760
one can draw is that they're made by a

866
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,520
non-human intelligence

867
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:51,599
it's basically as simple as that

868
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,760
and do you mean um forces or do you mean

869
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,200
physically

870
00:37:02,950 --> 00:36:59,359
somebody comes here from outer space and

871
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,960
lands and and creates these

872
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,520
well that depends on how you define

873
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:07,040
alien

874
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,640
crop circle crop circle sounds a little

875
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,079
bit like a breakfast cereal doesn't it

876
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,040
like fruit loops but if i may ask janet

877
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,040
a quick question if that's if that's

878
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:17,599
possible janet how does one go about

879
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,589
say again i can't hear you very well um

880
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,920
how does one go about making a crop

881
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,000
circle if one wanted to make a crop

882
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,630
what is the relevance of that question

883
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,560
well i mean if science has proven that

884
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,839
they're not man-made then what's the

885
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,839
relevance of this question i don't

886
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,839
understand well i thought i might help

887
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,680
you out here actually i downloaded the

888
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,760
instructions from the internet

889
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,400
beginner's guide to making a crop circle

890
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,640
uh happy to pass that along to you pages

891
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,800
and pages detailed instructions i've

892
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:52,960
seen it i've seen it here's the school

893
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:56,079
boy in uh in denmark making a crop

894
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,079
circle there he goes away

895
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,400
happily making a crop circle i tell you

896
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:02,160
what david dimble you're the famous

897
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,440
british

898
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,440
journalist here he is

899
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,960
in the middle of a crop circle which he

900
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:09,040
has just made with a stalks donker

901
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,160
they're called

902
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,839
uh oh here we are here's some more

903
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,440
here's two guys in the field happily

904
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,760
making crop circles look the point i'm

905
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:16,960
making is

906
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,599
the only mystery the only hoax going on

907
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,400
here are people putting the hoax out the

908
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:24,960
crop circles are made by aliens crop

909
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,200
circles are easily understood we know

910
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,880
how to do it you can download the

911
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,200
instructions they're made by humans the

912
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,400
hoax the hoax here is people

913
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,240
selling the myth that

914
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,400
strange aliens are coming down making

915
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,720
crop circles all right janet sorry jenna

916
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,800
will let you respond

917
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,040
yes my response is very simple you

918
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,800
obviously haven't done your homework

919
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:48,960
with all due respect i mean you haven't

920
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:51,920
read the scientific report have you

921
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,880
please please send them to me

922
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,800
please send me a sign i'd love to see

923
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,750
guiding us through um a very difficult

924
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,320
time basically that's my opinion okay

925
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:06,000
and now richard you get 30 seconds as

926
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,720
well

927
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,720
uh it'd be wonderful look if crop

928
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:10,400
circles were made by aliens i think that

929
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,599
would be fantastic why are they

930
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,839
bothering scrawling lines in the uh

931
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,920
crops why don't they help us why don't

932
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,839
they bring rain to the drought affected

933
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,520
areas and feed millions of people no

934
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,280
they make funny patterns in the crops

935
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,520
it's just ridiculous just ridiculous and

936
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,920
we know how to do them richard thank you

937
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:28,000
janet thank you i know you're over here

938
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:29,680
in australia to host some discussions

939
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:30,400
all the best

940
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,200
[Music]

941
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,280
yes that appearance was many years ago

942
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,160
2005.

943
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,720
i think it was something like that and i

944
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,359
haven't heard of janet ozerbard

945
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,520
ever since so i thought i'd

946
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,160
do a little bit of googling

947
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,160
i note she has a credit for the movie

948
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,960
crop circles quest for truth i think

949
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,480
i've got a copy of that movie kicking

950
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,560
around here somewhere

951
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,440
i'm also finding a book here at google

952
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:04,160
books crop circles the evidence

953
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:05,440
by janet

954
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,079
m

955
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:08,079
ossobard

956
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,119
and

957
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:11,920
there's this page

958
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,800
et healing dot nl

959
00:40:20,829 --> 00:40:17,359
in hell being the netherlands

960
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,839
healing center beyond medicine

961
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,800
extraterrestrial healing and

962
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,560
communication

963
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:26,640
janet ossibard

964
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,880
involved in crop circle research

965
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,359
and the alien phenomena

966
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,319
janet is national and international

967
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,760
recognized

968
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:42,079
as an authority

969
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,440
in this field

970
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,440
and she organizes presentations around

971
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,000
the world and regularly publishes new

972
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,440
books and articles in leading magazines

973
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,240
and web magazines

974
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,040
few know that janet is also deeply

975
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,119
interested in the ancient alien

976
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,160
civilizations that civilized the earth

977
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,720
in the distant past

978
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:06,720
likely now it's either

979
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,920
hathors or hat wars in ancient egypt and

980
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,599
mesopotamia

981
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:14,240
in 2014 janet came into contact with her

982
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,599
et guide

983
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,680
and is able to cooperate with an

984
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,520
extraterrestrial team

985
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,760
with which she specializes in

986
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,240
et healing for animals

987
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,319
in her lectures she sheds light on the

988
00:41:29,790 --> 00:41:28,960
different facets of the crop circles

989
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:29,800
and

990
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,200
questions like

991
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,800
who are they

992
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,200
who are the circle makers what kind of

993
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,560
consciousness are we dealing here with

994
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,400
and why do we receive these beautiful

995
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,240
patterns in our fields

996
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:47,760
what do they want to tell us

997
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,319
janet frankly shares her personal story

998
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,800
and how this phenomenon has changed her

999
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:54,720
entire life and how she came into

1000
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:57,839
contact with her et guide

1001
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,800
her enthusiasm and expertise

1002
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,440
combined with beautiful images of the

1003
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,319
live filmed appearance in second of a

1004
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,319
complex crop circle as well as her

1005
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,119
passion for extraterrestrials

1006
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,200
guarantee an unforgettable experience

1007
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,680
with janet

1008
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,640
there you go somebody who is uh

1009
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,720
contacted extraterrestrials and is

1010
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,640
healing animals with a

1011
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:23,839
alien

1012
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,230
[Music]

1013
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:32,000
but really the fat has come and gone you

1014
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,520
can still see crop circles i'm sure

1015
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,440
there are still people making them

1016
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,280
but the fad for people believing that

1017
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,000
they come from aliens or whatever it is

1018
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:42,000
it's largely died out these things come

1019
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,040
and go

1020
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,119
yes it's safe to say that

1021
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,960
for many years now we've known what crop

1022
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,560
circles are nothing unworldly

1023
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,240
supernatural

1024
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:53,760
paranormal out of this world by aliens

1025
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,960
mysterious energies need apply but why

1026
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,599
don't we see what wikipedia has to say

1027
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:00,960
crop circle

1028
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,680
circle is a pattern created by

1029
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,200
flattening a crop

1030
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,599
usually a cereal

1031
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,839
the term was first coined in the early

1032
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:20,880
1980s by colin andrews crop circles have

1033
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,480
been described as all falling

1034
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:27,040
quote within the range of the sort of

1035
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,560
thing done in hoaxes end quote

1036
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,359
although obscure natural causes or alien

1037
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,599
origins of crop circles are suggested by

1038
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,359
fringe theorists

1039
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,440
there is no scientific evidence for such

1040
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,359
explanations and all crop circles are

1041
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:44,480
consistent with human causation

1042
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,680
uh history the concept of crop circles

1043
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,079
began with the original hoaxes doug

1044
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,079
bauer and dave chorley starting in 1976.

1045
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:55,839
they said they were inspired by the

1046
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,119
tully saucer nest case in australia

1047
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:00,880
where a farmer claimed to have seen a

1048
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:04,640
ufo then found a flattened circle of

1049
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,839
swamp reeds that's

1050
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,119
interesting and it goes on it's quite

1051
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,800
lengthy but it also talks about the

1052
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,720
companies set up to

1053
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:13,839
uh

1054
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,880
to create logos and designs

1055
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,400
in crop circles

1056
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,000
if you pay them

1057
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,160
enough money there are some interesting

1058
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,520
videos online

1059
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,280
shot with night vision

1060
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,400
uh with crop circle makers going out in

1061
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,839
the middle of the night and showing you

1062
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,680
exactly how it's done so yes there's no

1063
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,200
mystery

1064
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,119
although you know you will find people

1065
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,200
to this day who think there are

1066
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:40,240
signs from the heavens or aliens or

1067
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,670
[Music]

1068
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:47,760
but let's see what the media made of

1069
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,880
crop circles going back a few decades

1070
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,240
and we're going to start with the

1071
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:55,440
canberra times in an article dated the

1072
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,079
29th of july 1991

1073
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,079
quite a while ago

1074
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,119
intelligent forces draw triangles in

1075
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,720
barley field

1076
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,800
london

1077
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:10,880
near the ancient stone rings of

1078
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,000
stonehenge researchers pace through

1079
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,400
wheat fields and puzzled over a modern

1080
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,960
mystery of giant circles and patterns

1081
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,520
attributed to everything from aliens to

1082
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,520
local pranksters

1083
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,079
the researchers from their seminar in

1084
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:28,720
the ancient south west england town of

1085
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:32,720
glastonbury to fields around avebury

1086
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,079
where circles squares and even triangles

1087
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,880
have appeared in recent weeks

1088
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,359
a farmer at barbary castle was charging

1089
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,440
admission fee to see a triangle-shaped

1090
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,920
one in a barley field said richard

1091
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,480
fraser an organizer for the conference

1092
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:50,880
mr fraser believes there is

1093
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,079
as yet no known satisfactory explanation

1094
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,560
of how the shapes are made and some

1095
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,079
speakers at the conference said

1096
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,520
intelligent forces unknown to science

1097
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,119
must be at work

1098
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,200
the shapes have appeared throughout

1099
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,920
britain but in the past few years most

1100
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,640
of them and the most extraordinary ones

1101
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,599
have appeared in south western england

1102
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:15,119
they are mainly in the county of

1103
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:16,400
wiltshire

1104
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:19,359
home of the prehistoric and genuinely

1105
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:23,200
mysterious stone circles of stonehenge

1106
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,119
and avery and in neighbouring somerset

1107
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,240
glastonbury in somerset is the center of

1108
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:33,599
crop circle watches and a natural place

1109
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,119
for them the town with its ruins of a

1110
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,920
once great abbey is the site of

1111
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,480
england's earliest christian foundation

1112
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,599
and a romantic legend says relics of

1113
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:48,160
jesus christ's crucifixion were taken

1114
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,000
there by saint joseph of arimathea

1115
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,880
glastonbury is also the reputed burial

1116
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,560
site of king arthur

1117
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,200
of the round table knight's legend

1118
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,040
crop circles have been reported for

1119
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,040
centuries around the world

1120
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,160
usually in fields of standing grain

1121
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,760
scientists who don't believe in

1122
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,400
unnatural phenomena are certain they are

1123
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:11,599
made

1124
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,440
naturally by eddies of winds moving over

1125
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,040
hilly ground

1126
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,000
they say the recent complex shapes of

1127
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,880
circles bars squares and triangles

1128
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:25,680
are made by hoaxers working at night

1129
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,119
hoaxers have confessed to making circles

1130
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:31,680
and other shapes in britain and germany

1131
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,839
professor hiroshi kikushi of tokyo's

1132
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,000
nippon university who is visiting

1133
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,480
britain is quoted by london's daily

1134
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,119
telegraph on friday as saying that

1135
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,520
little green men from the stars have

1136
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,280
nothing to do with the creation of crop

1137
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:49,040
circles and other patterns

1138
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,040
he said these circles were found mostly

1139
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:55,680
in southern england because of winds

1140
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,040
hills and the proximity of the sea

1141
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,280
the believers in unknown forces have

1142
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,880
rejected such mundane explanations

1143
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,880
which goes to remind us once again that

1144
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:09,359
believers in all sorts of supernatural

1145
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,839
things will often reject occam's razor

1146
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,240
and now here's an interesting one from

1147
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,160
the new scientist

1148
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,480
dated the 2nd of september

1149
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,319
1989

1150
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,240
so going back now

1151
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:26,000
and in the new scientists this should be

1152
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,440
interesting

1153
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:29,920
ionized whirlwinds could create crop

1154
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,800
circles circles of flattened crops may

1155
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,480
be produced by a natural weather

1156
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:37,359
phenomenon according to terence maiden

1157
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,119
of the circles effect research group

1158
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,280
he reports the account of an eyewitness

1159
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,079
ray barnes who watched a circle in the

1160
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,200
process of forming in 1982 meden

1161
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,720
believes that the account shows the

1162
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:53,359
mysterious circles are produced by

1163
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,640
vortices

1164
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:57,440
of air or small whirlwinds

1165
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,480
journal of meteorology volume 14

1166
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,040
page 265.

1167
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,920
barnes saw the circle form in a field in

1168
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,839
westbury wheelchair

1169
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:10,480
while walking his dog one summer evening

1170
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:13,520
he says he saw a wave front propagating

1171
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:17,040
through the heads of the cereal crop at

1172
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,720
about 50 miles per hour along a path

1173
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,119
which was slightly curved

1174
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:25,520
the advancing wavefront suddenly swept

1175
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,640
around

1176
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:28,880
in a clockwise direction creating a

1177
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:32,400
circle of 75-foot radius in about four

1178
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,440
seconds

1179
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,160
the corn which barnes says was either

1180
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,000
winter barley or oats

1181
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,480
rustled as it fell

1182
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,000
to the ground

1183
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,960
barnes also reported a hissing sound the

1184
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,440
sky was clearing after a thunderstorm

1185
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:50,319
and it was still raining slightly

1186
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,000
meden suggests that a spinning column of

1187
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,559
air whose axis was parallel to the

1188
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,040
ground caused the wavefront that swept

1189
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,640
across the cornfield

1190
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:02,640
when the column or vortex tilted

1191
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,359
slightly it traced out the circle

1192
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:08,720
just like a child's spinning top how

1193
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:10,839
comes razer occam's

1194
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:13,760
razor meteorologists know that vortices

1195
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,079
can develop in the lee of isolated hills

1196
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,880
but the circle witnessed by barns formed

1197
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,200
on the side of a hill that was faced

1198
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,200
into the wind maiden suggests that

1199
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,200
different patterns of vortices

1200
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:29,520
could arise from the interplay between

1201
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:32,000
the shape of the land surface and wind

1202
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,359
speed

1203
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,920
skeptics of crop circles have drawn

1204
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,559
attention to the abrupt edges of the

1205
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,520
flattened circles often a stalk on the

1206
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,680
outside of the circle stands upright

1207
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,240
while its neighbor on the inside

1208
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,920
lies quite flat

1209
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,400
skeptics have said that the edge of the

1210
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,200
vortex should be irregular because of

1211
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,440
turbulence in the air

1212
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,760
medians suggest that sharp margins may

1213
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:00,480
develop because the air forming in the

1214
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,319
whirling column is ionized to make

1215
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:07,760
plasma carl benedict's a swedish

1216
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,400
physicist has suggested that such plasma

1217
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,559
may explain ball lightning

1218
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,880
now that's a very interesting report

1219
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,440
and it's funny when people discard the

1220
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,839
simple the simple explanation of people

1221
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,000
going out and making them that they come

1222
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:24,559
up with all sorts of weird and wonderful

1223
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,000
ideas

1224
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:27,680
and now here's a report in the canberra

1225
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,119
times dated the 12th of july

1226
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,640
1989

1227
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:35,520
again going quite a ways back

1228
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:38,079
crops have a unfamiliar ring

1229
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,280
london

1230
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,000
a series of circles flattening crops in

1231
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:43,920
fields across southern england could be

1232
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:47,359
the work of an unexplained intelligence

1233
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,800
it was alleged on monday night eleven of

1234
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,119
these swirling shapes were reported in

1235
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,400
hampshire and wiltshire on sunday and

1236
00:52:00,910 --> 00:51:59,440
two men investigating them claim there

1237
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:00,920
have been

1238
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,119
170 so far this year local government

1239
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:07,200
official colin andrews said the

1240
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,359
phenomena could be linked with the 1987

1241
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,160
death of a harrier jump jet pilot whose

1242
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,240
body was found near a group of circles

1243
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,319
in wheelchair after he fell from his

1244
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,720
plane he said the pilot could have

1245
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,040
crossed a high-energy beam which may

1246
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,720
have caused

1247
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,000
the shapes

1248
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:28,960
mr andrew's partner retired nasa radar

1249
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,319
expert pat delgado said there must be

1250
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:34,559
some force field manipulated by some

1251
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:37,839
unexplained intelligence he found three

1252
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:42,319
of the circles in 1981 and 110 reported

1253
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,359
last year appearing at random in a 6.5

1254
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:48,000
kilometer wide band running from

1255
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:49,520
alfresten

1256
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,040
west sussex to warminster wilshere and

1257
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,880
apologies to any locals if i've

1258
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,440
pronounced that incorrectly mr delgado

1259
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:58,880
said he had warned the ministry of

1260
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:01,520
agriculture which thought the shapes

1261
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:04,720
could be caused by small whirlwinds or

1262
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,839
farmers fertilizers that cereal crops

1263
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,920
within the rings should not be used for

1264
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:11,680
human consumption

1265
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,720
there was evidence the circles affected

1266
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,800
insects he claimed

1267
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,680
a group of french ufo enthusiasts from a

1268
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,240
society called lights in the night

1269
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:25,520
traveled to winchester on monday to

1270
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:27,760
examine the rings the ministry of

1271
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:31,040
defense said it could not comment

1272
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,160
oh

1273
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,960
smoking gun or what

1274
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,440
sounds like a good conspiracy theory

1275
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:39,680
and finally from the us from the indiana

1276
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,640
gazette

1277
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,400
they did saturday the

1278
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:45,119
12th of july 2003

1279
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,640
and i think this was originally

1280
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:49,280
published in san francisco chronicle

1281
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,760
by stephen rubinstein and aaron hollisi

1282
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:55,680
fairfield california

1283
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:56,559
four

1284
00:54:03,190 --> 00:53:59,680
teenage boys admitted on friday what the

1285
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,200
world is not ready to hear

1286
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:05,200
there are no space aliens or flying

1287
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:09,280
sources in solano county the four boys

1288
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,520
ages 17 and 18 said they were the ones

1289
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:16,559
who created the dozen crop circles that

1290
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:20,240
have drawn hundreds of psychics

1291
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,400
sages visionaries and other people in

1292
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,280
pointy hats to a wheat field west of

1293
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,720
fairfield

1294
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,720
but confessing to the prank turned out

1295
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:31,839
to be

1296
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:34,720
not nearly so difficult as persuading

1297
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,240
the world to believe their confession

1298
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,880
even the local district attorney

1299
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,040
has his doubts hey if people don't

1300
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,440
believe us they don't believe us

1301
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:47,920
said one of the boys an 18 year old

1302
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,040
sporting a beard and a tattoo

1303
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,359
there's nothing i can do about it at an

1304
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:55,440
afternoon news conference just down the

1305
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,319
road from the crop circles the boys

1306
00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:00,559
local high school students who insisted

1307
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,280
on

1308
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,880
swore they did it

1309
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,640
they brought their original planning

1310
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:08,880
sketches for the circles they brought

1311
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:09,680
the

1312
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,400
character witness

1313
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,119
and then they used their boards and

1314
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,920
ropes to flatten a small patch of weeds

1315
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,079
to demonstrate their skills

1316
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,559
that isn't hard at all it's fun

1317
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:34,799
said another of the confessed pranksters

1318
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:37,920
a 17 year old boy who wore his new york

1319
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,359
yankees ball cap backwards

1320
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,000
we were bored there's nothing else to do

1321
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,880
around here the boys said they were

1322
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,760
inspired by a tv documentary that

1323
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,079
explained just how easy it is to make

1324
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:54,880
crop circles which crop circle partisans

1325
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,079
maintain are signs from space aliens

1326
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:00,319
the boys said they snatched a couple of

1327
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:02,240
boards from a fairfield construction

1328
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,599
site and

1329
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:06,319
with one boy holding a water ski tow

1330
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:09,119
rope at a central point as a guide

1331
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:10,880
stomped on the boards in a circular

1332
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,319
pattern in the wee hours of june 28th

1333
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,240
the mother of the seventeen-year-old

1334
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:18,640
said the boys admitted their deed to her

1335
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,160
just hours before returning from larry

1336
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,000
ballister's farm

1337
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:25,920
at the corner of

1338
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,359
rockville and susan valley roads they

1339
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,040
were a little apprehensive at first to

1340
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,079
tell me said the mother who wanted to be

1341
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,640
anonymous too my first response was

1342
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,480
where did you do it

1343
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,200
they set a field they kind of giggled

1344
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:43,520
about it the woman said she had seen her

1345
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:46,720
son whom she described as gifted and

1346
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,760
talented

1347
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,000
looking at a crop circle's website in

1348
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:53,119
the days before the design showed up

1349
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,280
in balustra's field he told her he was

1350
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:58,960
watching the documentary with his

1351
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,079
friends when one of them said let's get

1352
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,720
up and do one i think a lot of people

1353
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,640
just didn't believe that these kids

1354
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,119
could pull something of this magnitude

1355
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,520
off the mother said they're not college

1356
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,680
kids they're all still high school kids

1357
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:15,839
the best part the boys said

1358
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,280
is that the believers still believe the

1359
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,119
boys have returned to the site a dozen

1360
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:23,040
times to watch the procession of the

1361
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,160
faithful

1362
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,559
they have admitted to all who

1363
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,640
would listen that they were behind the

1364
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:29,839
stunt

1365
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,559
but no one wants to believe them to

1366
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,319
bolster their claims the boys took a

1367
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,880
reporter from the vacaville reporter to

1368
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:39,599
see two practice crop circles they made

1369
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:40,480
near

1370
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:43,760
the budweiser brewery a few miles south

1371
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:46,559
circles that so far had gone unnoticed

1372
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,280
the mother said she and the other boy's

1373
00:57:57,690 --> 00:57:51,119
parents think the boys should not face

1374
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,390
[Music]

1375
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,400
what a wonderful story to end that

1376
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,760
little segment

1377
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,599
on crop circles and the photograph

1378
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:07,680
accompanying

1379
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,760
story

1380
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,760
i dare say is just a picture of a

1381
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:14,240
classic crop circle it's quite

1382
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:17,119
elaborate and very large with the

1383
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,400
caption

1384
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:20,960
throngs of ufo enthusiasts new age

1385
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:22,640
followers and associated believers in

1386
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,680
the paranormal have been flocking to

1387
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:27,920
rockville california to see the crop

1388
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,799
circles that appeared two weeks ago

1389
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,440
so there you go crop circles

1390
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,640
in the media both here in australia and

1391
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:38,640
in the united states and i dare say if

1392
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,160
we were to do the same search in the uk

1393
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:44,640
we would find many many more

1394
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,950
but you too can find returns to your

1395
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:54,720
inquiry when you visit trove at

1396
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:01,220
and you never know what you might find

1397
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,710
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1398
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,160
zone this week

1399
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,240
now people have been asking me

1400
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,799
to comment on the current situation with

1401
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,599
novak djokovic here in australia and at

1402
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,520
the time of recording

1403
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:34,240
which is early on sunday morning he is

1404
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:37,359
yet to or his legal team they're yet to

1405
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,240
front up to another hearing

1406
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,240
here in australia on a sunday morning

1407
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:45,119
which is highly unusual

1408
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:48,480
uh the bottom line is

1409
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,760
his troubles his woe his troubles stem

1410
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,839
largely from the fact that he's not

1411
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,400
vaccinated which is his right but as

1412
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,880
they say actions have consequences so if

1413
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,880
he's not vaccinated then he can expect

1414
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to have certain restrictions and

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consequences for that

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a lot of people were very ready to jump

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the gun and jump to conclusions and make

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absolute statements

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about the situation

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from a moral point of view from a legal

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01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,799
point of view from a procedural point of

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01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,079
view

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where

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it appears

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likely

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at the moment he probably will be

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deported from the country for not being

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vaccinated or making misleading

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statements

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and if that's the case then so

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be it

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but

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over the past week or so this has been

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dragging on

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i've been

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interested to see the reactions of

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people on both sides his supporters and

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his detractors

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01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,200
leaping to conclusions when they don't

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know all the information i didn't know

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01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,960
all the information the information was

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contradictory and confusing and

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misleading and and

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as on it went

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01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:03,839
now i

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think it's a pity he's not vaccinated i

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think it's a pity he's not vaccinated

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and could advocate being vaccinated

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because he's such a high profile

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um

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wouldn't it be great if he could stand

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up and say

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please people get vaccinated i've been

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double vaxxed i've had my booster

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i encourage you to do the same

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so he's not sending a good message in

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that respect

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but ultimately

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ultimately it's a matter of law

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and if he has the right to

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appeal decisions legally

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then

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that's the way it goes that's why we

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have the rule of law we don't always

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01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,000
agree

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01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,520
we don't always like it but it's

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so important that we stick to the rule

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of law

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01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,359
but ultimately i think it looks like he

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will be deported

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01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:03,359
and i also read with some interest an

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account and i think it's even from the

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man himself

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how some years ago somebody did what

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01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,640
seems to be an applied kinesiology test

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01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,240
on him to

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01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:18,079
show that he actually was gluten

1478
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:19,440
intolerant

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01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:20,480
now

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01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,920
he may or may not be gluten intolerant i

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01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,200
don't know

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01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,200
but one thing i do know

1483
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:29,920
is he certainly was not diagnosed as

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01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:32,839
such using applied kinesiology it's

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01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,599
quackery and some people use it as a

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01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:36,960
scam

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01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,720
remember the days of the power balance

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01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:40,720
wristband and i've seen it used in all

1489
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:43,119
sorts of products from foot

1490
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,680
insoles for feet to all sorts of bands

1491
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:47,520
and things like that where people do

1492
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,119
these fake applied kinesiology tests

1493
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:53,359
either as a scam knowing full well that

1494
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:56,000
that's just a way to con people or

1495
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:57,920
people sincerely believe they can

1496
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,760
actually test people using applied

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01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,200
kinesiology

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01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:04,480
so many facets of this story many indeed

1499
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,640
but ultimately the lesson for me is uh

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01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,480
to let things play out

1501
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:12,799
as best they can

1502
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,920
but personally i hope one day he might

1503
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,680
uh wake up

1504
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,760
and realize that the best thing he can

1505
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:21,839
do for himself

1506
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,960
his fans and society

1507
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,839
is to stand up roll up his sleeve

1508
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,760
and get vaccinated

1509
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:31,440
now before i go if you listen to the

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01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,160
data skeptic program and i played a uh

1511
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,960
promo earlier in the episode on the

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01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,559
latest episode

1513
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:40,960
you can hear an interview with me

1514
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:42,559
talking once more about the great

1515
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,359
australian psychic prediction project

1516
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,039
and thanks to

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01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:50,160
kyle polly for having me as a guest a

1518
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:51,440
lot of fun

1519
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,119
but for this week

1520
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:55,520
this is richard saunders

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